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Are PHEV Owners Plugging In & L1 vs L2

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#1 ·
Just curious:
Read an article today that said many PHEV owners don't bother to plug in their cars. In fact, Toyota is concerned enough that they are releasing a game/app for their owners that supposedly encourages plugging in.
Is this really a thing? Seems like if you buy a PHEV and don't bother plugging it in, you just spent more money to buy a less-fuel-efficient HEV.
I suspect most Tucson PHEV owners who are interested enough to come on this forum are also interested enough to plug in, but what say you?
 
#3 ·
In the case of Toyota RAV4, lots of people opt for the PHEV because they want the additional power. The RAV4 hybrid has a system output of 219 horsepower, vs 302 for the RAV4 PHEV. That results in shaving more than 2 seconds off the 0 to 60 time, even though the PHEV is heavier.

With the Tucson, the power difference is much smaller, with the PHEV only shaving about 1/2 a second off the HEV time, so far less compelling.
 
#7 ·
But the fact people made an effort to post here, may make them not the average owner so here a higher percentage probably do charge.
That was my thought too.
I really don't get buying a plug-in hybrid and not plugging it in. To me it's like paying extra for a convertible and then never putting the top down.
 
#8 ·
Yes plug ins have more power then HEV even with incentives it s more expensive. If you do mostly city and lower then 70km a day, your interest is to plugged in cause it s cheaper(in Quebec) in Florida ICE is worth due to gas price.
Other then that, get yourself an HEV, cheaper in price and you can do 16-17 km in the city. On the highway, Plugged in, once you did around 70km, it will cost you more due to the weight of the battery.

Do your homework and decided what s best for you.
My HEV serves me well.
 
#11 ·
I have been the owner of a Tucson HEV since 2021. At the end of 2023, I installed a 6Kw photovoltaic system (15 photovoltaic panels) on the roof of my house, producing more than double what I consume annually, and all the extra production goes back into the national grid, granting me a ridiculous refund.
In 2 weeks, I will change my HEV for a PHEV, and you can be sure that I will always charge the battery.
During the week, I travel short distances with round trips within 50km, which I will do in full EV.
When long-distance travel takes place, the presence of the ICE will eliminate any stress from electric charging on the road
 
#16 ·
adding to this... my guess they just want people to use an app so they get more information out of us. I wont use it .... i wont use mylink either. dealership spent 15 min trying to convince me to set it up. the more they pushed the more i said no to the point where i threatened to NOT take the vehicle that i just signed for.... yes you can do that. as long as you dont drive it off lot.
 
#20 ·
For those PHEV owners who rarely fill up because most of their driving is within PHEV range: Since you rarely burn gas, it seems like there could be a danger of letting the gasoline in your tank deteriorate (old gasoline)...it can happen in a few months. Is that a concern? Do you use an additive to combat this?
 
#21 ·
As wife and I are retired we leave the desert in the summer time. Last summer we were gone from mide June until first week in October. We travel with our 5th wheel . Santa Fe is parked in our garage without being driven. Trickle charger is connected to the 12 v battery.
No problem what so ever with the gas in the tank. Our son has used it a couple of times this summer. Put in one tank of gas. I don't expect any problems when we get back home in a couple of weeks.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Yes, but................

Yes, I always plug in, and since most of my driving is around town it is mostly in EV mode.

But, I just got a Kill-A-Watt and, having just returned from a road trip with the battery down to HEV level I measured what it took to return to 100% charge. This would give me 30-33 miles of range.

In contrast to some earlier threads on this forum, I used the fully loaded cost of electricity net of taxes, surcharges, fees, etc. This was 13.9 cents per kilowatt hour (vs. the nominal rate of 11.8 cents per kilowatt hour).

It cost me $2.18 to "fill up" the battery for around as much range as a gallon of gas. Currently gas is around $3/gallon in North Carolina.

I never expected to recoup the additional cost of the PHEV. I plug in as a small effort of environmental stewardship and because I'm a geek that likes new toys.

[Edit: I use a modified extension cord to bring the EVSE to my car which is parked outside. The Kill-A-Watt showed a pretty substantial voltage drop. Other folks might use fewer kilowatt hours to "fill up" their PHEV battery.]
 
#33 ·
I have a 2024 PHEV Limited. I live just South of Sacramento, California. I plug in frequently. My car has 6900 miles on it (bought in February 2024) and I am getting 60 mpg overall. My electric company (SMUD) gives a electrical credit of about $1.50 per month for me plugging in. Since I plug in mostly at nights (over night), my cost is about $2.30 per month. I had a concern raised by Canadian drivers that folks who mostly used the electrical to power their car were in danger of having problems with their gas engine. I therefore try and use my gasoline engine at least two or three times a month. So far I have had NO issues with the car.