Our 2023 Tucson hybrid is getting a stellar 24.5 mpg average after 10k miles, according to Hyundai it is acceptable and not their problem! I won’t support Hyundai in the future!
Don’t buy 2023 hybrid Tucson if you expect good fuel economy
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Early on a couple of people explained exactly that but I think some forgot or never read it, etc. Some just insist going 80MPH should get you the highway mpg on the sticker.
There are plenty of online articles that tell you how you drive is even more a factor with Hybrids than an ICE.
I already knew it, but even on the ICE you can see on the real time gauge the letting off the gas some on hills is getting you better mpg. It's for a short time but add up more hills, or with the ICE using the ISG (Stop and Go), don't use jack rabbit starts, etc and it all adds up to a gain mpg.
I've had my Tucson PHEV for exactly one day so rather than pretend I know anything I'll suggest looking at the data on the site "Fuelly."
If their work is honest then:
Six 2023 Tucson Hybrid owners have reported with 51 fuel ups over 14,225 miles an average of 32 mpg.
Ten 2023 non-hybrid Tucson owners have reported, with 238 fuel ups over 64,708 miles an average of 25.2 mpg.
Seventy 2019 non-hybrid Tucson owners reported, with 4,614 fuel ups over 1,167,053 miles an average of 23.1 mpg.
The Tucson non-hybrid folks have reported widely different averages creating near perfect bell curves with what appear to be outliers (some removed from the data) which I guess isn't really that surprising. If I was still teaching I'd use this data in a minute with my students to have them sus out what might cause the differences in reporting.
Frankly there are so many variables that I think it would take a pretty big population of data to begin to develop confidence so I imagine the 2019 data might demand more respect. I'm on the Crosstrek site and this issue is constant and pretty volatile. Frankly I'm not even sure how I will measure my "mileage" with the PHEV...should I ignore the energy I use to charge it and just track gas? Dunno. Have to think about it.
Hyundai Tucson MPG - Actual MPG from 1,598 Hyundai Tucson owners
The most accurate Hyundai Tucson MPG estimates based on real world results of 32.2 million miles driven in 1,598 Hyundai Tucsons
www.fuelly.com
Six 2023 Tucson Hybrid owners have reported with 51 fuel ups over 14,225 miles an average of 32 mpg.
Ten 2023 non-hybrid Tucson owners have reported, with 238 fuel ups over 64,708 miles an average of 25.2 mpg.
Seventy 2019 non-hybrid Tucson owners reported, with 4,614 fuel ups over 1,167,053 miles an average of 23.1 mpg.
The Tucson non-hybrid folks have reported widely different averages creating near perfect bell curves with what appear to be outliers (some removed from the data) which I guess isn't really that surprising. If I was still teaching I'd use this data in a minute with my students to have them sus out what might cause the differences in reporting.
Frankly there are so many variables that I think it would take a pretty big population of data to begin to develop confidence so I imagine the 2019 data might demand more respect. I'm on the Crosstrek site and this issue is constant and pretty volatile. Frankly I'm not even sure how I will measure my "mileage" with the PHEV...should I ignore the energy I use to charge it and just track gas? Dunno. Have to think about it.
Again, welcome to the forum. We have a handful of very vocal complainers here, likely just like any site where posters are hoping for stellar mileage. We have several that indeed get that stellar mileage (and MORE) who post their glowing reports. Back and forth we go... I was a teacher also, and spent at least one year of my career in the science department. There we delved deep into the scientific method of carefully generating the hypothesis, compiling and analyzing data, that bell curve you spoke of and on and on.
The difference between this forum and that "FUELLY" website bell curve you mentioned is the volume of our "bells" that make up our "outliers." Ha, some have even considered them to be out and "out-liars," but that's likely not the case. I can tell by the wording of your posts that this is not your first rodeo. You are welcome here, sir and we're looking forward to your input.
Guess I'm an outlier myself as my ICE Tucson routinely averages just over 30 mpg as measured at the pump since new. However, that is NOT what my computer says as it's a good deal more optimistic. But we know which method is more accurate over the long haul. Measuring tank by tank is not real accurate, but stack em up and average them out over 10k miles... IS.
On your PHEV, pay close attention to exactly how much oil shows on your dipstick. I've read that some folks are getting so much gas in the oil that the dipstick seems to show more and more oil in the engine over time. I wonder about that. It would certainly make sense for those who use the engine so little on each trip the it never warms up. As you know, just like using the choke years ago to richen the mixture to feed a cold engine, the computer does the same thing each morning. The blow-by, which makes its way to the oil, never burns off as the oil doesn't heat up enough to "boil" blow-by out. Do this over and over, you've got too much gas in the oil. You may already know all this, but It just popped in my head so I thought I'd mention it.
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And you would be unintentionally deceiving your students!
Fuelly has been used in posts, including by me. It is one tool that gives a look at the mpg. But it has flaws including how the stats are used.
First, the third stat you used is not even the same model, engine etc (NX4) let alone a hybrid so has no meaning at all ICE or Hybrid.
The Second Stat is for ICE 2023 a car that has been in use mostly over the colder months with Winter fuel. It shows 25.2 MPG.
A 2022 same car, used year round now, shows nearly 29 MPG. (28.8) Nearly as high as what my average is. (31.4)
You must be aware of the problem with how stats are used.
Further, the differences are great between the Hybrid and ICE looking at them side by side is more confusing than helpful for mpg unless deciding which to buy.
I would need to see what they eliminated as outliers. It is an accepted approach certainly but.... I and others have had stretches of fill-ups over their highest 43 mpg allowed. I did for nearly 5 weeks when we used the car mostly for a few trips here. The norm? No but that is not how they use the data, they show by fill-ups, well over several fill-ups I attained higher than what they allow. Not a big deal probably just another factor when using Fuelly for mpg information.
I just did my forst fill up. I have a used 2022 Hybrid, so broken in. Fuelio reports 6.409L/100km from the tank fill. The car reports 6.2, but I don't know what the rounding algorithm is.
6.409L/100km is 36.7mpg. Assuming the car rounds at .05, 6.2 is anywhere between 6.15 (38.2mpg) to 6.25 (37.6mpg). It was a mix of driving, where about a third was highway at the speed limit (100km/h). Both numbers are close to each other, and close to EPA ratings.
Since we're talking about the website FUELLY, here's a link to the section on their website that provides 32 pages of advice, likely written by 32 various authors, on just how to get great mileage consistently. I'd advise ANYBODY complaining about the mileage they're getting with ANY Tucson to give this a good read.
Here's a thought: in the same amount of time ya spend typing out complaints on this forum, you could potentially cure your problem by reading the info provided in this link instead. What a novel idea
CLICKY HERE
While you're on the website, check out their "FORUMS" link. There you'll find dozens of subjects mostly dealing with gas mileage. Have a genuine gripe about gas mileage? WELL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT: HERE'S YOUR BIG CHANCE.
Here's a thought: in the same amount of time ya spend typing out complaints on this forum, you could potentially cure your problem by reading the info provided in this link instead. What a novel idea
CLICKY HERE
While you're on the website, check out their "FORUMS" link. There you'll find dozens of subjects mostly dealing with gas mileage. Have a genuine gripe about gas mileage? WELL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT: HERE'S YOUR BIG CHANCE.
I look forward to joining you folks with real world experience of my own.
Honestly I think students can have many great observations about how numbers are juggled if the opportunity is given to them to look at stuff critically. I suggested that larger samples tend to gain confidence when what is being sampled is isolated so your concerns are valid if one of the (many) variables is that the same "population" of Tucsons (PHEV, HEV,ICE,Different engines, transmissions, etc.) aren't being measured. I'm not up on the many permutations of Tucsons so I don't doubt your concerns. Fuelly has other problems as well although I'm not aware of everything you have pointed out. Yes, removing any data without explaining, not defining the population you are studying, failure to isolate variables, etc. can lead to discussions like this. It wasn't my intention to give the impression that Fuelly was a absolute accurate definition of what every single person should expect, only that it offered a chance for students to critically evaluate how folks use statistics.
I can't say how valuable these numbers are until I can get some actual experience and decide how I will measure my own given the intention to drive electric within the city as much as I can. Having a pretty powerful engine will be a new experience and the turbo is an invitation to destroy my mpg if I'm into it too much. Time will tell
It's weird coming to this forum from the Crosstrek forum where this discussion gets equally heated over the same problems. Some on the Crosstrek forum refer to the dash statement of average mileage and predicted range as the Subaru "Exagerometer" and others disagree. I rarely got the mpg of the EPA and, living in a hilly city I suppose, rarely got the overall mpg of others on the Crosstrek site.
You see a slightly more defined population or sample with the US Fuel Economy source with all the same warnings about variables:
Browse On-the-Road Fuel Economy Data
www.fueleconomy.gov
just a screen shot here with my search parameters being "2022-2023. Hyundai. Tucson. PHEV" :
My hunch is that we don't know enough to sum up mpg of things if we can't define the actual vehicle and the variables it is operated in. We just have the honest experience of those that offer data.
At this point I think i have what the Chinese refer to as the "Well bottom view" with 60 actual miles on the car, I don't know much about it.
I'm especially interested in your last paragraph. I think some cars (Toyota Prime?) actually will periodically run the engine as part of the computer just bringing the engine temps up and keeping ICE seals from drying out reducing contamination of the oil, etc. etc. I'm wondering if the Tucson will do the same. I'll pay attention to the oil level of course cause science nerds tend to enjoy stuff like that. She who must be obeyed and I had quite a discussion about trusting the PHEV tech or paying for the extended warranty. I thought, in this case and against all common advice, I should buy the extended warranty. Looking at all the costs we decided to trust Hyundai and go with the included warranty. Like everything else time will tell.
I used to give my students (real) data on a women's school that showed a high correlation when comparing mathematical skills to shoe sizes. It was powerful and obvious shoe sizes made a difference. I asked students to mull this stuff over and meet with each other to discuss possible reasons. The kids were great with lots of creative possibilities. I would then show them the data and in a K-12 school shoe sizes are generally strong predictors of mathematical ability. All my students would then groan and realize I never defined the exact surveyed population. They assumed I was talking about the same age young women. I told them to never believe data without access to the data and the exact survey methodology.
We can't really develop the exact data on a forum like this and a methodology of how we drive is pretty difficult as well. I find it better to just relax and have a beer while I read.
Me too!!!
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Oh, no! I have the same problem and trying to figure out who to talk with? Otherwise, I love this car! Who can(Eli?
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That would be awesome, but I am not😵💫☹
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I am glad some folks are… but not me…… I don’t think it is the human.
how fa add t do you go. I would have to coast everywhere to get that speed.
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Rather judgmental of you…..maybe our cars are not working well?
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Wish I did!
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Been through all this here before. If you want to read the many posts and links. We had people not believing anything but the car is the problem. Then many started to get higher mpg. Or took the time to understand what the numbers mean.
Dramatically lower fuel efficiency with Hybrid
I recently bought a new 2022 Tuscon Hybrid Limited. After breaking in with normal, non-aggressive driving for the first 500 miles, I decided to take it for a 500 mile drive to visit family. This is almost entirely highway driving and I did a mix of cruise control and non-cruise, but was...
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Talk of class actions flies in the face of many getting reasonably around the estimated mpg and the Government not finding anything different. Anyone who thinks they should get the sticker mpg at 70+ and how you drive does not affect mpg,shows they did not take the time to read what that sticker mpg means. You can say you should get that mileage at 70 mph but you are wrong as plainly as I can say it.
Could someone have a problem car? Sure any make and model could be.
Here's just a small sample of what people could be looking up online.
"EPA fuel economy estimates are based on standardized tests designed to reflect "typical" driving conditions and driver behavior, but several factors can affect MPG significantly:
- How & where you drive
- Vehicle condition & maintenance
- Fuel variations
- Vehicle variations
- Engine break-in
Your Mileage Will Vary
EPA has improved its methods for estimating fuel economy, but your mileage will still vary.
www.fueleconomy.gov
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"While each vehicle reaches its optimal fuel economy at a different speed (or range of speeds), gas mileage usually decreases rapidly at speeds above 50 mph.
You can assume that each 5 mph you drive over 50 mph is like paying an additional $0.25 per gallon for gas."
Save money and fuel by driving efficiently.
Our fuel-saving tips can help you save both fuel and money!
www.fueleconomy.gov
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I can't tell if that is that is meant to be funny or not? Basing mpg on 4 10's of a mile?
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