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Fuel Dilution Of Engine Oil In Plug-in Hybrid *and* Hybrid Tucsons - THERE IS A SEMI-SECRET SOFTWARE UPDATE

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A lab test following a recent oil change showed that my engine oil had been diluted over 5% by gasoline. 2.4% is the recommended maximum dilution. In 500 miles of driving since that oil change my oil level had risen to 1/2" over the maximum fill line. Many other owners of Hybrid (HEV) and Plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) Tucsons have been reporting similar dilution of their engine oil. The root cause is increased blow-by of gasoline past the piston rings in TGDI (turbocharged gasoline direct injection) engines and then the oil in these very efficient engines never getting hot enough to "boil" off the gasoline. Dilution of the engine oil by gasoline can cause excessive engine wear. (Other brands of automobiles with TGDI engines have reported similar issues.)

The Service Manager at the dealer where I have my Tucson serviced was totally non-responsive, so I had to raise a bit of a ruckus with some 1-star reviews on social media. Once I engaged with the General Manager, things moved very quickly.

When the General Manager spoke with a Hyundai Regional Field Service Engineer he was informed that there was, in fact, a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) to address the issue of fuel dilution of engine oil in Tucson HEVs and PHEVs. Apparently the Service Department at the dealer was unaware of this TSB.

The TSB Number is 23-EE-002H. It was issued in March, 2023. (With problems of this nature it can often take several tries to fix or mitigate the problem. Be sure to check for updated or superseding TSBs. The General Manager at the dealer said that he would be checking with Hyundai every month or two on my behalf.)

Most of the TSB deals with DTC error codes being issued erroneously. These error codes have nothing to do with the oil dilution issue. At the bottom of the TSB, almost as an afterthought, there is:

Oil Dilution: Some vehicles may experience increased oil consumption and white smoke due to the diluting of engine oil with fuel because of the frequent transition between EV<-->Engine mode during the winter season.​
a. Modify fuel injection strategy below 10 degrees Celsius [50 degrees Fahrenheit] and add oil heating function based on the driving pattern.​

On the TSB, Event #911 is an ECU software upgrade for both HEVs and PHEVs. Event #939 is an HCU software upgrade for HEVs and Event #940 is an HCU software upgrade for PHEVs.

This TSB is NOT being applied to all 2022-23 HEV/PHEV Tucsons. When my VIN is input into the Hyundai system the TSB does not come up as being needed. Hyundai may only be approving the warranty work to install the TSB for the stated symptoms: "increased oil consumption" or "white smoke." You might have to educate your Hyundai dealer's service department about the existence of the TSB and then convince them that a failed lab test for the oil or an oil level above the maximum fill line make your car eligible for the TSB because of the oil being diluted by gasoline.

After applying the TSB the dealer changed my oil. (I confirmed that they used 0W-20 full synthetic oil.) I will note the current oil level and then monitor to see if it rises. If the oil dilution problem does still exist, it may not become evident until next winter.

(Note - These are the DTC error codes also addressed by the semi-secret TSB. I'm listing them here in case somebody is searching the forum for such a code. P1441, P1A77, P00B7, P2118, P0401, P0236, P0299, P2B60.)

Admins - There should be similar TSBs for all other Hyundai and Kia models that use the 1.6L Gamma II turbocharged engine. Please cross-post if possible.
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Great information. Looking at what they would do under it, maybe I can see why if you don't have the problem (Maybe in always warm climate or how you drive etc) they would not make the change.

P1441 code indicates an issue with EVAP fuel vapors running through the system when they shouldn't

P00B7 “Engine Coolant Flow Low/Performance.” This code is logged when the powertrain control module (PCM) perceives insufficient coolant flow through the cooling system.

A P2118 code refers to the throttle actuator control motor current.

P0401 is an OBD-II generic code that the engine control module (ECM) detected the engine exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve is not flowing enough recirculated exhaust gases when it is commanded to open the flow of gases into the intake manifold.

P0236 code indicates that there is an issue with your “A” circuit for your turbocharger or supercharger.

P0299 code indicates that the Turbo or Supercharger "A" has excessively low output.

P2B60 means that Engine Coolant Flow Control Valve Position Sensor Circuit Range/Performance has been detected.
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Great information. Looking at what they would do under it, I can see why if you don't have the problem (Maybe in always warm climate or how you drive etc) they would not make the change.

P1441 code indicates an issue with EVAP fuel vapors running through the system when they shouldn't

P00B7 “Engine Coolant Flow Low/Performance.” This code is logged when the powertrain control module (PCM) perceives insufficient coolant flow through the cooling system.

A P2118 code refers to the throttle actuator control motor current.

P0401 is an OBD-II generic code that the engine control module (ECM) detected the engine exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve is not flowing enough recirculated exhaust gases when it is commanded to open the flow of gases into the intake manifold.

P0236 code indicates that there is an issue with your “A” circuit for your turbocharger or supercharger.

P0299 code indicates that the Turbo or Supercharger "A" has excessively low output.

P2B60 means that Engine Coolant Flow Control Valve Position Sensor Circuit Range/Performance has been detected.
The DTC error codes don't really have anything to do with the oil dilution problem. The TSB was kind of a "kitchen sink" list of fixes, with the oil dilution "fix" added at the ass end, almost as an afterthought. I'll edit the OP to clarify this. Thanks.
Captain, did you arrange and pay for the lab test or did the dealer do it?
Captain, did you arrange and pay for the lab test or did the dealer do it?
During a regular oil change I had the dealer take an oil sample into a clean glass jar that I provided. I asked them to drain 1 or 2 quarts before taking the sample.

I then transferred the oil into the sample container that came with the pre-paid kit that I purchased.

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There are some interesting updates in this parallel thread on another forum.

Interesting. I complained to my dealer that they must have overfilled my crankcase at the last oil change because the level was significantly above the full line on the dipstick. The service manager agreed that it was higher than full and did an extra oil change for me at no charge. If you search on this forum for vibration issues you can read about my other concerns. Could this oil dilution problem cause unusual engine vibrations at around 1500 rpms?
Does the engine vibrate when parked and revved or only while moving? If only while moving, could it be an out-of-balance tire?
This parallel thread now includes the exceedingly aggravating information that the firmware update is mandatory for Santa Fe's but Tucson owners can only get it if they know about it and if they can convince the dealer and Hyundai that the car qualifies for the update.

Does the engine vibrate when parked and revved or only while moving? If only while moving, could it be an out-of-balance tire?
It vibrates at around 1500 rpm even when parked. Being a hybrid, it’s difficult to maintain 1500 rpm using the foot pedal. The vibrations are not related to tire wear or balance. When driving the vibrations are most prounced when in engine mode around 1500 rpm, especially under a load like when going uphill. They are significantly reduced or eliminated when it shifts into EV mode. But when shifting into EV the engine gives a pronounced groan and vibration as it’s going into EV.
It vibrates at around 1500 rpm even when parked. Being a hybrid, it’s difficult to maintain 1500 rpm using the foot pedal. The vibrations are not related to tire wear or balance. When driving the vibrations are most prounced when in engine mode around 1500 rpm, especially under a load like when going uphill. They are significantly reduced or eliminated when it shifts into EV mode. But when shifting into EV the engine gives a pronounced groan and vibration as it’s going into EV.
Switching to DM to keep thread on topic.
Interesting. I complained to my dealer that they must have overfilled my crankcase at the last oil change because the level was significantly above the full line on the dipstick. The service manager agreed that it was higher than full and did an extra oil change for me at no charge...
I blame Hyundai for this. They list the drain & fill capacity in the manual as 5.1 US qts. The real d & f capacity is closer 4.5 qts and if the service guy adds 5.1 qts, he will invariably overfill. Kia lists the drain & fill capacity for the hybrid Sportage as 4.8 US qts. Closer than hyundai's spec to actual capacity.

I've had my oil changed at the dealer twice in connection with warranty repairs. Both times overfilled. Seems there's a lot of that going around...
I blame Hyundai for this. They list the drain & fill capacity in the manual as 5.1 US qts. The real d & f capacity is closer 4.5 qts and if the service guy adds 5.1 qts, he will invariably overfill. Kia lists the drain & fill capacity for the hybrid Sportage as 4.8 US qts. Closer than hyundai's spec to actual capacity.

I've had my oil changed at the dealer twice in connection with warranty repairs. Both times overfilled. Seems there's a lot of that going around...
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Kia manual same as Tucson.

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The values I saw were in liters not qts. Sorry for the error. I standby my statement, though. The 5.1 US qt figure is high by at least 1/2 qt. 4 qts on a refill works about right leaving 1/2 qt for fuel dilution.

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I had a phone conversation with Tech Support at Amsoil.

They use gas chromatography to measure fuel dilution of oil, which is more accurate than the Flash Point method used by Blackstone.


The viscosity of my oil had dropped to 6.0 centistokes at 100 deg. C., which is a little lower than 16. The oil started out as 0W-20.

They are seeing increasing instances of fuel dilution with the increased numbers of direct injection engines in use.

The technician said that modern oils can handle some degree of dilution while retaining their ability to lubricate. He said that the most important measurements to keep an eye on are wear metals, watching for changes over time or the exceeding of thresholds in a given sample. Amsoil measures iron, chromium, nickel, aluminum, copper, lead, tin, cadmium, silver and vanadium. Unfortunately they do not publish the thresholds on their test report unless a particular contaminant exceeds the threshold.

Interpreting wear metal trends needs to take into account how long the oil has been in service when it is sampled. ("Normalizing" the test results.) Without a measure of operating hours mileage has to be that measure, but in PHEVs and HEVs this is complicated because some proportion of those miles are in EV mode.

I was able to find an Amsoil training publication that does a good job of explaining their methodologies and how to interpret their results.


Be sure to read the footnotes.

Side note - Amsoil sells a sampling device that allows taking oil samples without having to drain the oil.
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To my knowledge Amsoil does not do testing, they send it to a testing lab, I believe usually Polaris or OIL ANALYZERS INC. I think they vaguely say that on their site.
"AMSOIL provides oil analysis service options. By analyzing used engine oil, a qualified lab can detect mechanical problems your engine may have."

POLARIS-oil-analysis | POLARIS Laboratories® (polarislabs.com)

Oil Testing Lab - Oil Analysis Kit - Oil Analyzers INC. (oaitesting.com)

Gas chromatography can be better if you don't know the fuel and oil that was used and it does give more info.
But it isn't without cons, one is a chance of errors by up to 2% if not carefully done.

Measuring Fuel Dilution in Lubricating Oil (azom.com)
...The viscosity of my oil had dropped to 6.0 centistokes at 100 deg. C., which is a little lower than 16. The oil started out as 0W-20...
It's still 20-weight as far as we know from the kinematic viscosity. The range is 5.6 cst to 9.3. My oil had thinned to 5.79 cst in 5000 miles. I'll be shortening the interval to 4000.
To my knowledge Amsoil does not do testing, they send it to a testing lab, I believe usually Polaris or OIL ANALYZERS INC. I think they vaguely say that on their site.
"AMSOIL provides oil analysis service options. By analyzing used engine oil, a qualified lab can detect mechanical problems your engine may have."

POLARIS-oil-analysis | POLARIS Laboratories® (polarislabs.com)

Oil Testing Lab - Oil Analysis Kit - Oil Analyzers INC. (oaitesting.com)

Gas chromatography can be better if you don't know the fuel and oil that was used.
Yes, I know. If you click on "Buy Now" on the Oil Analyzers web site it takes you to the Amsoil web site. Simpler just to refer to Amsoil since they are the customer-facing organization.
Yes, I know. If you click on "Buy Now" on the Oil Analyzers web site it takes you to the Amsoil web site. Simpler just to refer to Amsoil since they are the customer-facing organization.
I bring that up to make sure people know it is an independent lab Amsoil can't be said to be adjusting anything.
Well, this is interesting.
On my last oil change I noticed an additional charge for Qty 1 80003 Premium Oil Treatment $C16.79! This is in addition to the 5l of Quaker State 0W20 full synthetic.
When I inquired as the what this was, I was told it was a Wynn's product and was recommended because of the DI engine. I have not been able to determine exactly what this product is. I have not delved any deeper on this topic but I intend to, armed with this mentioned TSB.
Obviously, my engine oil level is always above the full mark even immediately after the oil change or a long highway run.
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