Interesting article about PHEVs vs conventional ICE vehicles

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Tekz

Discussion Starter · Jan 16, 2022

interesting article about a region pulling out PHEV incentives

A Region in Switzerland has Pulled all Incentives for PHEVs Calling Them a “Con” - Motor Illustrated

Following testing, a region is Switzerland has withdrawn all purchase incentive for PHEVs as they deliver no fuel efficiency improvements.

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Starboy

· #2 · Jan 16, 2022

Tekz said:
interesting article about a region pulling out PHEV incentives

A Region in Switzerland has Pulled all Incentives for PHEVs Calling Them a “Con” - Motor Illustrated

Following testing, a region is Switzerland has withdrawn all purchase incentive for PHEVs as they deliver no fuel efficiency improvements.

motorillustrated.com

I did not see any actual statistic's in that article. I feel I am getting great mileage with my car and when the ice is not on there is no emissions being displaced in the environment.

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PHEV.to

· #3 · Jan 16, 2022

If owners aren’t trained to charge their vehicles regularly the weight of additional battery makes the mileage on the PHEV worse than a reg Hybrid.

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Not much of an article and very few details about the testing.

I bought My PHEV as I got the Canadian Government $2500 incentive which made the PHEV only $2000 more than the HEV. I keep my vehicles for along time and with the price of gas going up and up (in Edmonton, Alberta it just went to $1.36/litre) I know I am going to make that $2000 back in gas savings.

Yes in -28 celcius the engine runs more than using the batteries but it has to heat the cabin some way.

I am very happy with my purchase.

With every vehicle there are "wish it would have" or "wish it didn't do this or that" but every vehicle is like that.

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MLS

· #5 · Jan 16, 2022

Interesting but can’t generalize from that research. For mostly local short trips it is highly more efficient. Works great for us!

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Tekz

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jan 16, 2022 (Edited)

kevinrobedm said:
Not much of an article and very few details about the testing.

I bought My PHEV as I got the Canadian Government $2500 incentive which made the PHEV only $2000 more than the HEV. I keep my vehicles for along time and with the price of gas going up and up (in Edmonton, Alberta it just went to $1.36/litre) I know I am going to make that $2000 back in gas savings.

Yes in -28 celcius the engine runs more than using the batteries but it has to heat the cabin some way.

I am very happy with my purchase.

With every vehicle there are "wish it would have" or "wish it didn't do this or that" but every vehicle is like that.

Understood and have similar mindset as well however for me the only other deterrent would be that this is it’s1st year of production and maybe Hyundai hasn’t figured out the bugs and kinks. I might have to wait for the next model year. Sure gas prices have crept up and may even go up further but gas is the cheapest maintenance and spending thousands of $$$ just to trade up in order to save on gas won’t be the wisest move for me at this time - the cheapest car is the current one I drive

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Pbm

· #7 · Jan 16, 2022

Belgium researches proved that obesity leads to lower fuel economy and excessive brakes wear .

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phalkon30

· #8 · Jan 17, 2022

PHEV.to said:
If owners aren’t trained to charge their vehicles regularly the weight of additional battery makes the mileage on the PHEV worse than a reg Hybrid.

Sure, but who is buying one and not plugging it in? You have to try to get a PHEV

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JohnCap523

· #9 · 4 mo ago

Tekz said:
interesting article about a region pulling out PHEV incentives

A Region in Switzerland has Pulled all Incentives for PHEVs Calling Them a “Con” - Motor Illustrated

Following testing, a region is Switzerland has withdrawn all purchase incentive for PHEVs as they deliver no fuel efficiency improvements.

motorillustrated.com

Keep telling yourself….

i filled up my car on July 9th after getting home from a roadtrip, and didn't put any gas in it again until December 11 before leaving on another roadtrip. That’s 2,856 miles between fill ups and i still had just under half a tank of gas.

You enjoy burning that fuel and basking in propagandist myths…

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PHEV.to

· #10 · 4 mo ago

Very similar experience here in warm weather but the winter is a different story altogether. The fuel consumption goes back to ICE numbers. You could run with no heat until your windows start to ice or fog up. And on longer trips I am able to manage the climate to take advantage of the e motor.Noticed the KIA have heated windshields now; that would help. The infrastructure here in Ontario is moving so fast chargers being installed so fast they don’t even have time to set them up properly. I hope in 10 years all the challenges to full electric are solved. But at this point I’m happy with my PHEV decision.

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TheDarkLord

· #11 · 4 mo ago

phalkon30 said:
Sure, but who is buying one and not plugging it in? You have to try to get a PHEV

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Apparently lots of people don't plug in PHEVs.
This US article came out earlier this month.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/phev-owners-not-plugging-in

I suppose it's because the owners wanted to take advantage of rebates/incentives, but they don't have access to charging at home or find that 120v charging is too slow.

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JohnCap523

· #12 · 4 mo ago

TheDarkLord said:
Apparently lots of people don't plug in PHEVs.
This US article came out earlier this month.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/phev-owners-not-plugging-in

I suppose it's because the owners wanted to take advantage of rebates/incentives, but they don't have access to charging at home or find that 120v charging is too slow.

I read that article yesterday, and i don’t buy it. It’s just piling on negativity surrounding any car with batteries…. I’m sure there’s some who are too lazy to plug in or just don’t care, but i seriously doubt the majority bought a plug in and don’t plug in. Even at 120v (max 12a in a standard 15a outlet) virtually every PHEV will charge from empty overnight.

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