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Two weeks ago, i am totally a “toyota” guy! For me, if I want to have a SUV, I will definitely go for a Rav4!

After I looked for a hybrid or plugin SUV two weeks ago on youtube and watch a video showing the Hyundai 2022 Tuscon, my whole world was totally upside down.

When I compare the toppest trim with Rav4 and Tuscon, they are all the same! The feature are mostly the same! But the price is a hugh different!!!! The price for Rav4 hybrid highest trim is same as the price for Tuscon Plugin highest trim! How can that possible! Besides if you want to queue for a Rav4 plugin, you have to wait for 2 years! But Tuscon is around 2-3 months.

After I talked the Sales, we concluded that no matter how Toyota priced the Rav4 and how bad the service they had provided, they have tonnes of die hard fans and will buy whatever toyota sell! But Hyundai want to take back some of the SUV market. They start being very agreesive, no matter the price, the feature or service!
 

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Two weeks ago, i am totally a “toyota” guy! For me, if I want to have a SUV, I will definitely go for a Rav4!

After I looked for a hybrid or plugin SUV two weeks ago on youtube and watch a video showing the Hyundai 2022 Tuscon, my whole world was totally upside down.

When I compare the toppest trim with Rav4 and Tuscon, they are all the same! The feature are mostly the same! But the price is a hugh different!!!! The price for Rav4 hybrid highest trim is same as the price for Tuscon Plugin highest trim! How can that possible! Besides if you want to queue for a Rav4 plugin, you have to wait for 2 years! But Tuscon is around 2-3 months.

After I talked the Sales, we concluded that no matter how Toyota priced the Rav4 and how bad the service they had provided, they have tonnes of die hard fans and will buy whatever toyota sell! But Hyundai want to take back some of the SUV market. They start being very agreesive, no matter the price, the feature or service!
Yeah, based on the raves on the internet it is that good. Dealers here in Seattle are adding $5K to the price of the SEL hybrid & there is a waiting line.
 

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But couples of my firend tried to convince me NOT to buy a Hyundai. They said everything maybe good for the first few years but may have problem after that. Besides the second hand market price for a Hyundai is pretty low!
 

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But couples of my firend tried to convince me NOT to buy a Hyundai. They said everything maybe good for the first few years but may have problem after that. Besides the second hand market price for a Hyundai is pretty low!
My opinions are based on the ownership of two Korean products (2004 Elantra GT & 2019 Kia Niro PHEV - neither which I owned beyond 3 years & 25,000 miles) and reading lots of Kia Hyundai owner forums. I'm sure other, more experienced owners will pipe up...
There is a fair degree of historical truth to both your statements, especially the later.
That said, you will find many who have had late model Hyundai (& Kias) that have been very reliable.
Overall, IMO, the Koreans have & are making huge strides in improving the quality & reliability of their product. But, all cars are getting increasingly complex electronically & over the past few years most models have had many complaints regarding the complexity & reliability of the electronics, especially infotainment systems. Go on any owners forum and you will find a plethora of complaints, even the recent, venerable Toyota RAV-4 has had numerous glitches & bitches. Some Kia Niro owners have gone well over 100K with NO problems. Others have had ongoing problems since the 1st month of ownership & resorted to the Lemon Law. It seems very random. Same is true with VW, Subaru, Chrysler... products.
Regarding the low resale of the Korean products, very true. If you don't plan on keeping your car for 5 years or more and resale is a big concern to you, that may be a good reason to not buy. Hopefully with product improvement, the resale will improve also.
 

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IMO as a owner of two Korean products (2004 Elantra GT & 2019 Kia Niro PHEV, neither which I owned beyond 3 years. I'm sure other, more experienced owners will pipe up...
There is a fair degree of historical truth to both your statements, especially the later.
That said, you will find many who have had late model Hyundai (& Kias) that have been very reliable.
Overall, IMO, the Koreans have & are making huge strides in improving the quality & reliability of their product. But, all cars are getting increasingly complex electronically & over the past few years most models have had many complaints regarding the complexity & reliability of the electronics, especially infotainment systems. Go on any owners forum and you will find a plethora of complaints, even the recent, venerable Toyota RAV-4 has had numerous glitches & bitches. Some Kia Niro owners have gone well over 100K with NO problems. Others have had ongoing problems since the 1st month of ownership & resorted to the Lemon Law. It seems very random. Same is true with VW, Subaru, Chrysler... products.
Regarding the low resale of the Korean products, very true. If you don't plan on keeping your car for 5 years or more and resale is a big concern to you, that may be a good reason to not buy. Hopefully with product improvement, the resale will improve also.
Thanks for your reply!
To be honest, except the low reselling value on 2nd hand market, everything on the Tuscon plugin 2022 is really perfect. Two days ago, i test drive it with my son. When we were testing driving, we just keep “screming” “waoh”and ”yeah”! Coz every feature in the car were really really good and is very driver based. What I mean is if I am a driver, what will a driver want! Anyone who didnt test drive it, i am strongly recommend you to test drive a Tuscon plugin 2022. Except low reselling value, this car is almost perfect!
 

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Thanks for your reply!
To be honest, except the low reselling value on 2nd hand market, everything on the Tuscon plugin 2022 is really perfect. Two days ago, i test drive it with my son. When we were testing driving, we just keep “screming” “waoh”and ”yeah”! Coz every feature in the car were really really good and is very driver based. What I mean is if I am a driver, what will a driver want! Anyone who didnt test drive it, i am strongly recommend you to test drive a Tuscon plugin 2022. Except low reselling value, this car is almost perfect!
You were able to test drive the PHEV in Canada's?? I heard it's slightly slower than the hybrid, does it feel like that to you?
 

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But couples of my firend tried to convince me NOT to buy a Hyundai. They said everything maybe good for the first few years but may have problem after that. Besides the second hand market price for a Hyundai is pretty low!
Before I got my Tucson Limited Hybrid, I had a 2016 Tucson Limited. Not one problem. My son in law has it now. Before that I had a 2008 SantaFe, gave it to my son in law when I got the 2016 Tucson. I never had a problem with that vehicle and neither did he.. I am not knocking Toyota. My wife drives a 2018 Lexus NX. However the tech in the Tucson puts her car to shame
 

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Yes, it really is that good. We have had a couple of Toyotas in the past, as well as other makes. I really do like Toyotas and you can't go wrong with one. When my wife wanted to look at a Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 5 years ago, I wasn't excited at all. But keeping an open mind, I had to admit I liked the Sonata better than the Camry hybrid we test drove. 5 years later, that Sonata was basically trouble free and just as reliable as any Toyota we had in the past. I sold it to Carvana for about 59% of what we paid new for it and bought the Tucson hybrid. We did our due diligence, and looked at the Rav4 hybrid, CRV hybrid, and Escape hybrid. The Tucson won hands down.

According to this 5 year resale chart we did ok.

 

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The RAV4 hybrid has a really solid and proven engine and drivetrain. It may be Toyota's most reliable engine/drivetrain ever. Hyundai was clearly aiming at the RAV4 when they designed the new Tucson hybrid. They made it a little bigger, better, faster, etc. in every category. They even made the styling a little more radical and eye catching. Hyundai's drivetrain is not as proven as Toyota's but Hyundai gave it a much better warranty. You're not going to go far wrong with either car. I looked hard at the RAV4 hybrid but just couldn't get past those completely obsolete nickel metal hydride batteries that Toyota cynically foists on their customers. I don't want the most expensive component of the car--the battery pack--utterly and completely obsolete. Fiveteen years obsolete at least. Hyundai's LG Chem lithium polymer batteries are state-of-the-art. That's what I bought. I also like the Borg Warner K03 dual scroll turbo. The Hyundai is the more technically advanced car by far.
 

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Just have my Limited Plug In for two weeks but very happy with it. My ‘13 Tucson is going to a child who just sold the 2005 Elantra they received for college graduation. I’ve been of the opinion that if the manufacturer will warranty the drive train for 100k miles I can be confident in it. Also, Hyundai has reasonably priced bumper to bumper extended warranties. I got a 10 year/120k miles plan for the new Tucson for $1600. Over the years have had Honda, Toyota, Volvo, & Mercedes-but very happy with Hyundai’s price/value/reliability.
 

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Mileage varies by day and use.

My $0.02.

Our Tucson Hybrid is nicely appointed, has good seat support, stylish, a comfortable ride, and has good cargo and passenger space.

That said, the mileage is disappointing compared to what I hear of the RAV4 Hybrid. We have over 9,000 miles on it thus far. Trip computer shows average of 37 MPG, though that is about 2 MPG higher than what I calculate whenever I fill up.

Recent trip from Ohio back to DC going through PA at normal Highway speeds (65-70)- car indicated a little better than 30 MPG. Filled up and have an indicated 39.3 since then with majority being Highway driving. No rhyme or reason to it. Outside Temperature and driving conditions were generally the same.

That being said, getting over 30 MPG is fair for a vehicle of this size. Though it is my first car in a long time that I haven’t gotten better mileage than the EPA estimate.
 

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Your differences in mpg could have something to do with the switchover to winter fuel mixes. I do know that our previous car (a 2016 Sonata Hybrid) got much worse fuel economy in the winter when we lived up in central NY. We averaged 42 mpg in the summer and it would drop to the low 30's at times in the winter.
 

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If the Tucson is the car you want and will love driving, and if resale value is a concern, you might "amortize" the (possible) difference in resale by mentally spreading it over the expected years of ownership.
 

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Winter is working against your hybrid fuel economy in several ways:
1. Lower density altitude means more aerodynamic drag
2. Wetter roads mean more rolling resistance. Colder underinflated tires same.
3. Engine runs longer and richer to provide cabin heat. Engine heat lost sooner when parked.
4. Traction battery self-discharge rate is higher as temps go down. This is equivalent to a gas tank leak since it took gasoline to charge the battery.
5. Winter mix gasoline less energy dense.
6. Higher engine/transmision friction as lubricants are thicker when cold.
7. More electrical power used for seat heaters, defrosters, and other electrical heaters

I have not found that measured fuel economy readings are more accurate than the ECU calculated ones. Unless I park at the same pump in the same way, the measured fuel economy can vary quite a bit. A little slope down or up greatly affects when the hose clicks off.
 

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I've noticed in windy conditions the roof cross bars make a lot of noise, have any of you with disappointing mileage taken them off?

I'm planning on removing mine unless I need them, they look cool but they're for sure not helping the aerodynamics

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Thanks for your reply!
To be honest, except the low reselling value on 2nd hand market, everything on the Tuscon plugin 2022 is really perfect. Two days ago, i test drive it with my son. When we were testing driving, we just keep “screming” “waoh”and ”yeah”! Coz every feature in the car were really really good and is very driver based. What I mean is if I am a driver, what will a driver want! Anyone who didnt test drive it, i am strongly recommend you to test drive a Tuscon plugin 2022. Except low reselling value, this car is almost perfect!
You want to see low resale value, buy a German Luxury vehicle!
 

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One exception to that. Not a luxury car, but VW bought our '15 golf tdi back for more than we bought it for new during dieselgate. The only car we ever owned that appreciated while we had it. Loved that car, but it was a no-brainer to sell it back. Then Hyundai was offering a big discount to VW owners, at the time to get them to switch, so we got a deal on our Sonata Hybrid. Then Bosch sent us a check in the mail for their part in dieselgate. The diesel that kept on paying... A magical time to own a VW.
 
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