[Hastywriter]

Hi folks,

for the members who have taken possession of their PHEV and are driving in Canada or colder states of US, there was a lot of talk about the gas engine coming on in EV mode to heat up the cabin or defrost the front windshield.

wanted to ask if the gas mileage was the 7/7.5l for 100kms or around 32-34mpg as it is in hybrid mode or is it considerably less like 1-2l/100kms.

Trying to figure out if the PHEV is still going to be of any benefit in the colder months or essentially act as a hybrid with a bigger battery!

Realistically I don’t want to drive around in the cold without a heater just to force the car into EV mode. Looking for real world outcomes when you drive the PHEV like you would any other car.

Thanks again!

 

[Hastywriter]

Also another slightly less important question, if I were to preheat the car in my home garage when plugged in, does it still use the gas engine to heat the car and would it be safe to do in a closed garage to do? (With the gas fumes?)

 

[MLS]

So far just been driving in the low 30's F. The ICE cycles after an initial warmup and reaching set temp inside passenger compartment. The ICE does come on automatically if do a remote start in cold weather. I think heat is only provided from the ICE. Also, after having a carbon monoxide incident many years ago from a generator running outside a closed garage door, I am very cautious about devices that give off CO.

 

[222cson]

Also another slightly less important question, if I were to preheat the car in my home garage when plugged in, does it still use the gas engine to heat the car and would it be safe to do in a closed garage to do? (With the gas fumes?)

I only have an HEV, but IMHO, I wouldn't risk doing that and having CO accumulate in the garage. Depending upon your house design, the garage might share a wall (or part of one), with a bedroom thereby incurring additional risk.

Since you have the Ultimate trim, I believe you can hasten cabin comfort by configuring your heated seats and steering wheel to activate automatically with low ambient temperatures.

 

[PDS]

Hi folks,

for the members who have taken possession of their PHEV and are driving in Canada or colder states of US, there was a lot of talk about the gas engine coming on in EV mode to heat up the cabin or defrost the front windshield.

wanted to ask if the gas mileage was the 7/7.5l for 100kms or around 32-34mpg as it is in hybrid mode or is it considerably less like 1-2l/100kms.

Trying to figure out if the PHEV is still going to be of any benefit in the colder months or essentially act as a hybrid with a bigger battery!

Realistically I don’t want to drive around in the cold without a heater just to force the car into EV mode. Looking for real world outcomes when you drive the PHEV like you would any other car.

Thanks again!

I'm in Kingston where, like the rest of the province, the weather has been up and down the thermometer. I have PHEV Luxury, ordered in Feb '21, got in Nov '22. The car does not stay in EV even when selected, I'm hoping that changes in the warmer months. It will switch, as you are aware, to HEV or automatic when it needs the engine. I drive a far bit for work, already 3,780 km on it. I am getting 6.6l/100 km, according to the car. This includes highway and city driving (mostly highway).

 

[Jay]

If you wait till just before leaving on your commute to charge the PHEV, some waste heat from the battery will heat the cabin. A block heater would give a good head start to heating the engine. The ICE may not have to run or run as long for cabin heat.

 

[Hastywriter]

I only have an HEV, but IMHO, I wouldn't risk doing that and having CO accumulate in the garage. Depending upon your house design, the garage might share a wall (or part of one), with a bedroom thereby incurring additional risk.

Since you have the Ultimate trim, I believe you can hasten cabin comfort by configuring your heated seats and steering wheel to activate automatically with low ambient temperatures.

Thank you! This is a smart idea! I imagine the heated seats and steering wheel are from the battery anyway! Yes I do have a bedroom above my garage and my living room sharing a wall with the garage, wouldn’t want to risk CO contamination at all!!

 

[Hastywriter]

I'm in Kingston where, like the rest of the province, the weather has been up and down the thermometer. I have PHEV Luxury, ordered in Feb '21, got in Nov '22. The car does not stay in EV even when selected, I'm hoping that changes in the warmer months. It will switch, as you are aware, to HEV or automatic when it needs the engine. I drive a far bit for work, already 3,780 km on it. I am getting 6.6l/100 km, according to the car. This includes highway and city driving (mostly highway).

Got it! This is helpful. Not Bad numbers! My driving will be majority city and within 30-40kms within a regular day if any. Was just wondering how bad does the gas engine coming on for heating the cabin impact the usefulness of a PHEV. Appreciate the info! Thanks @MLS for the info as well!

 

[Adamdan]

Got it! This is helpful. Not Bad numbers! My driving will be majority city and within 30-40kms within a regular day if any. Was just wondering how bad does the gas engine coming on for heating the cabin impact the usefulness of a PHEV. Appreciate the info! Thanks @MLS for the info as well!

Weather around my area is hitting around freezing. My car is parked in a parkade that is not as cold as outside but pretty close. I’m averaging 3.3L per 100km or so. I have temp set in the car at 21.5. Once the cabin is warm the engine stays off until it needs more heat for the cabin. I’m still getting good milage but it will get worst as it gets colder. I still think it’s worth having a plug in even in the winters.

 

[Hastywriter]

Weather around my area is hitting around freezing. My car is parked in a parkade that is not as cold as outside but pretty close. I’m averaging 3.3L per 100km or so. I have temp set in the car at 21.5. Once the cabin is warm the engine stays off until it needs more heat for the cabin. I’m still getting good milage but it will get worst as it gets colder. I still think it’s worth having a plug in even in the winters.

This is awesome info! Appreciate it! My car will be in a garage as well which should be around 10-12C temp. And at 3.3l/100kms that is awesome fuel efficiency. Full EV would be nice but this isn’t too bad! Looking forward to see how the winter goes for you with the car!

 

[Pbm]

I guess this is city driving not exceeding 50-60 km per day
It is interesting to know real numbers representing mix driving highway and city
I would be happy if I am wrong

 

[kevinrobedm]

This week in Edmonton it has been between -19 and -21 celcius during the day. My vehicle is paked in the garage. My drive to work is about 25km each way. For the most part my PHEV has been switching and staying HEV mode for most of drive. When I get to work the battery is still between 92% and 97% charged. I guess it is just too cold at that temperature to run everything on the battery. When the temperature was alot warmer it could almost go the whole drive on battery.

 

[Adamk]

This week in Edmonton it has been between -19 and -21 celcius during the day. My vehicle is paked in the garage. My drive to work is about 25km each way. For the most part my PHEV has been switching and staying HEV mode for most of drive. When I get to work the battery is still between 92% and 97% charged. I guess it is just too cold at that temperature to run everything on the battery. When the temperature was alot warmer it could almost go the whole drive on battery.

Interesting. I'm from Montreal awaiting a PHEV maybe come February. Our weather is similar, my commute is almost the same (30km) and I also park in my garage. What's your l/100 on these commutes in -20?

 

[Chris C]

Also another slightly less important question, if I were to preheat the car in my home garage when plugged in, does it still use the gas engine to heat the car and would it be safe to do in a closed garage to do? (With the gas fumes?)

I thought I read or saw a video that you can program the car to be conditioned/warmed when charging. This is what we were hoping to do when getting ours. Not sure if that is through bluelink or the cars menu but it sounded like there was an option.

Does that sound familiar to anyone or did I misunderstand that?

 

[mungo544]

I think the best way to get faster heat might be to install a block heater. There is a port in the engine block to clip one in. Hyundai makes their own and there are several aftermarket units. Also, when I looked under the car there appears to be some type of heat capturing device on the front part of the exhaust pipe. Does anybody know what that is for?

 

[CanadianMama]

This week in Edmonton it has been between -19 and -21 celcius during the day. My vehicle is paked in the garage. My drive to work is about 25km each way. For the most part my PHEV has been switching and staying HEV mode for most of drive. When I get to work the battery is still between 92% and 97% charged. I guess it is just too cold at that temperature to run everything on the battery. When the temperature was alot warmer it could almost go the whole drive on battery.

Thanks for this info! I live in Edmonton as well, and my husband and I were trying to find information like this for our climate when deciding between PHEV and HEV. The wait time difference between the 2 ultimately made us go HEV.
I’m curious, knowing what you know now, would you still choose the PHEV for the Alberta climate?

 

[kevinrobedm]

I would still choose the PHEV. When running on electric the vehicle is totally quiet. I was getting combined gas mileage (25km each way to work) of 3.3l to 3.6l/100km. I am now able to go over 2 weeks on $17 of gas (at 114.9/l) plus another $11/month in power. Previously with my last CUV is was spending betwwen $25 and $30 per week in gas. I am not sure how this compares with the HEV but either way the vehicle is incredible. If there is anything I can coment on or answer, please reach out.

 

[zmz211]

Hi As I am in Vancouver and getting my PHEV ultimate next month, may I please know that if fully charged, and we want it to run at EV mode most of most, can I just simply set the mode to 'EV' when the car is turned on, and let it change by itself for the whole trip until the battery runs out? Then I don't have to change mode during the drive? let's assuming it's freezing cold outside, -10c and I set the A/C on 22 c. Thanks a lot!

 

[kevinrobedm]

With my PHEV, I leave it in EV mode all the time and I get roughly 55km on a full charge. In the summer, when I do not have the Climate control on I get about that range (my commute is 25km each way to work). Although breaking does charge the battery while driving I am do not think it would keep the battery fully charged during your whole trip. Once the battery does get very low, the engine will automatically start to run the vehicle and charge the battery. If you do have the climate control on I am finding the engine runs alot more often to facilitate keeping the climate control requests satisfied. In Edmonton this week it as been very cold -28 to -33 and my vehicle has been 99% charged for the majority of my driving as the engine has been running to satisfy the climate control needs.

From what I am seeing, in the 2100kms of driving so far, most of it in winter in Edmonton,once you start hitting miunu celcius temperatures, but more when you have the climate control on, the engine runs, if not for climate control needs, then to get the gas engine to and maintain operating temperature.

That have been my experience, hope that helps. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know and I will try to share the experience with my PHEV.

 

[zmz211]

With my PHEV, I leave it in EV mode all the time and I get roughly 55km on a full charge. In the summer, when I do not have the Climate control on I get about that range (my commute is 25km each way to work). Although breaking does charge the battery while driving I am do not think it would keep the battery fully charged during your whole trip. Once the battery does get very low, the engine will automatically start to run the vehicle and charge the battery. If you do have the climate control on I am finding the engine runs alot more often to facilitate keeping the climate control requests satisfied. In Edmonton this week it as been very cold -28 to -33 and my vehicle has been 99% charged for the majority of my driving as the engine has been running to satisfy the climate control needs.

From what I am seeing, in the 2100kms of driving so far, most of it in winter in Edmonton,once you start hitting miunu celcius temperatures, but more when you have the climate control on, the engine runs, if not for climate control needs, then to get the gas engine to and maintain operating temperature.

That have been my experience, hope that helps. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know and I will try to share the experience with my PHEV.

Thanks soooo much for your informative and prompt advices ~

I think the a/c is really a battery drainer. Then on freezing days with a/c on, 'EV' mode may not use battery too much. So at this case even when I take a 60km trip, the battery may remain a bit because the fuel has been consumed for some. Good point~ And that says the MPG drop significantly these cold days?

May I also ask that, for I want it mostly runs in 'EV' mode, do I need to set it every time on board or just one time set is done? Can it remember this? Besides, I see it has a remote start function on the key fob as well as a blue link app for iOS. Could I put it plug in at night in garage and remote turn on A/C using the app (or remote start use key-fob) in the morning before drive for a bit warm cabin? Or, this remote a/c function on app / remote start function on Key fob can only works without plug-in?

Guess too many questions from me, hahaha... You may advice only per your convenience, please. Anyway, thank you again 🤝