Has anyone successfully disconnected or significantly muffled the obnoxious back up alarm on a 2022 hyundai tucson?
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That's why I have to think somehow he isn't covering the speaker, how could it get louder even with thinner material. But he says it is on the speaker.
It's a headscratcher.,.
I just want to thank the contributors who have provided the sound attenuation solution (with foam pads) as an alternative to disabling the safety feature. Of course it's always a personal choice. The sound may indeed be too loud and incredibly annoying to drivers (and their neighbors) and seems Hyundai went overboard with the volume, something they should address. If I'd gone the HEV route, I might be pounding my head on the steering wheel too. However, I do believe it is worth considering the reasons behind the regulations. Many sources seem to agree that pedestrians are about 40% more likely to be struck by an EV than a gas engine vehicle. It's hard to know exact figures. But here's one specific instance from personal knowledge, an actual event, not a "what if?"
A couple years ago, one of my congregants, an older woman in her late 60s was proceeding through the grocery store parking lot, wheeling her cart. She's not doddery at all, has good vision, and is not deaf. She pays attention to what she's doing. Suddenly, she found herself on the ground, in pain and a man standing over her yelling "what the f---, lady! Look what you did to my car!" His car... a shiny Tesla. His attitude... well, you be the judge of that. My friend was lucky. The shopping cart took the initial impact and she was spun around, falling to the pavement and suffering 'only' a broken arm and a mild concussion. Interestingly, a witness who had been waiting to back out of his own parking space opposite the Tesla, said the driver sat for several moments with backup lights on. The witness was getting a little annoyed (so, go already!! he was thinking) when he saw the lady with the cart and suddenly the Tesla (which had been blocked from her view by a big pickup truck) moved abruptly backward.
People rushed to her aid thus effectively preventing the Tesla driver from leaving... he wanted to do just that. Police were called, and he ranted on about his insurance, the scratches on his car, and stupid old people not looking where they're going. Don't know how he would have perceived the situation if it had been a kid on a bicycle, or a parent with a baby stroller. I guess it still would have their fault.
The point is, this comparatively minor accident could have been so much worse. If she'd heard a beeping sound, she would have stopped to look. She's a smart lady and her life experience taught her that beeping of that type means a vehicle is backing up. She would likely have ended up going home completely unscathed. And Mr. Tesla wouldn't have had a damaged car, a lighter wallet (from paying the medical bills), and perhaps a far less amicable relationship with his insurance company.
Just a little food for a thought, and an 'upvote' for those foam pads.
A couple years ago, one of my congregants, an older woman in her late 60s was proceeding through the grocery store parking lot, wheeling her cart. She's not doddery at all, has good vision, and is not deaf. She pays attention to what she's doing. Suddenly, she found herself on the ground, in pain and a man standing over her yelling "what the f---, lady! Look what you did to my car!" His car... a shiny Tesla. His attitude... well, you be the judge of that. My friend was lucky. The shopping cart took the initial impact and she was spun around, falling to the pavement and suffering 'only' a broken arm and a mild concussion. Interestingly, a witness who had been waiting to back out of his own parking space opposite the Tesla, said the driver sat for several moments with backup lights on. The witness was getting a little annoyed (so, go already!! he was thinking) when he saw the lady with the cart and suddenly the Tesla (which had been blocked from her view by a big pickup truck) moved abruptly backward.
People rushed to her aid thus effectively preventing the Tesla driver from leaving... he wanted to do just that. Police were called, and he ranted on about his insurance, the scratches on his car, and stupid old people not looking where they're going. Don't know how he would have perceived the situation if it had been a kid on a bicycle, or a parent with a baby stroller. I guess it still would have their fault.
The point is, this comparatively minor accident could have been so much worse. If she'd heard a beeping sound, she would have stopped to look. She's a smart lady and her life experience taught her that beeping of that type means a vehicle is backing up. She would likely have ended up going home completely unscathed. And Mr. Tesla wouldn't have had a damaged car, a lighter wallet (from paying the medical bills), and perhaps a far less amicable relationship with his insurance company.
Just a little food for a thought, and an 'upvote' for those foam pads.
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Good post!!
And a much easier solution if anyone's interested
Easiest & cheapest & fastest way to quiet the...
Much easier than trying to get foam to stick in front of the horn (closed cell acoustic foam doesn't adhere very well to double sided adhesive :( ), and everyone NEEDS Gorilla tape, so it's a WIN WIN! It only takes 5 minutes to do as well :) Just put (3) 5"strips of the 2" wide Gorilla Tape in...
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Hmmm. Ya know what I was thinking? If there was 1 chance in a 10,000 that I could back up and hit ANYBODY under any circumstances, I'd turn in my license and give it up. Injuring somebody else because I'm NOT ABLE to fully control my car is unacceptable. There are NO EXCUSES when it comes to this subject. And with that amazing back up camera, we now have the ultimate tool to keep everybody safe. We all make mistakes, but driving with my eyes closed better not be one of them.
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Many thanks for this excellent suggestion! I purchased from Amazon these 1/2" thickness closed cell rubber pads with adhesive on one side and installed them in my 2023 Tucson Hybrid Limited SUV. This has proven to be a wonderful solution. It was much easier to accomplish by cutting the pad a bit to 5" x 5" size and then in half. Each half now easily goes into the front grille for positioning. I then installed the other half of the pad alongside of the first one.
USEFUL TIP: I used my fish hook remover to position the pad.
My bed-bound neighbor, who lives directly alongside of my driveway, is now much happier with my Tucson's now more quiet (NOT SILENT) speaker warning sound when I backup at all hours of the day and night.
Agreeing with you 100% on what you said. When I taught my daughter to drive (more years ago than I care to mention), I told her that the most potentially dangerous maneuver she'd ever make driving her car was backing up, and it required all three mirrors, absolute focus, and a snail's pace. Of course nowadays, some of us do have new technology like the back-up camera and the cross-traffic alert to help avoid doing something that could end tragically, but there's still no substitute for caring enough to pay attention ALL the time, whether we're in "R" or in "D".
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Not to mention pedestrians that are walking w/ their ears full of ear buds, their eyes on their cell phone and their mind in the clouds. What could go wrong???
Another thought:
Some have advocated just disconnecting this speaker. But most have chosen to quiet it down. Might I suggest a possible better alternative, as neither is the perfect answer. Actually, there is no perfect answer. This one is just another possibility.
Disconnecting the wires is a challenge, but has been done more than once on this thread. But what about another solution? What if after disconnecting the plug, that plug was pulled through the grill for a little quick surgery on the wires? What if a special type of temporary shut off switch could be installed with a switch mounted say inside the center console? A switch that was normally "ON," but could be temporarily shut off? These switches do exist. Here's an example of one: CLICKY. It's a momentary push button switch rated for 4A. at 12v. Not sure if that's robust enough for the amperage load of this speaker, but I posted the link just for illustration any way. There are others available online.
This switch is kinda rare because it shuts off the circuit ONLY when you push it. This is the opposite of the way most of the momentary switches work. Most momentary switches that we're familiar with (like a starter switch for example) turn something ON when you push them. This one is the opposite. It turns things OFF when you push it. It's a temporary switch, meaning it's spring loaded and is normally "ON", that is it does nothing 'til ya push it. When you do, it shuts off the circuit for as long as you hold it down, then turns it back on and stays that way.
This means that the speaker works just as it always should UNTIL you push the button. Then it shuts off the horn temporarily 'til you release the button. The back up alarm works just like it should unless it's 5:00 am and ya don't want to wake the neighbors: just hold down the button for a few seconds. Plus nobody would ever question you as the alarm works normally all the rest of the time. Consider this: nobody would ever question your foam covered speaker if you accidentally hit somebody WHILE your speaker was beeping... because your speaker would continue to operate as it was designed unless you pressed the hidden switch. And you couldn't forget to turn it back on because it's a momentary switch, designed to stay on most of the time.
Just remember there is no perfect solution here: but this is a possibility, and perhaps even a better choice than the others? You be the judge.
Some have advocated just disconnecting this speaker. But most have chosen to quiet it down. Might I suggest a possible better alternative, as neither is the perfect answer. Actually, there is no perfect answer. This one is just another possibility.
Disconnecting the wires is a challenge, but has been done more than once on this thread. But what about another solution? What if after disconnecting the plug, that plug was pulled through the grill for a little quick surgery on the wires? What if a special type of temporary shut off switch could be installed with a switch mounted say inside the center console? A switch that was normally "ON," but could be temporarily shut off? These switches do exist. Here's an example of one: CLICKY. It's a momentary push button switch rated for 4A. at 12v. Not sure if that's robust enough for the amperage load of this speaker, but I posted the link just for illustration any way. There are others available online.
This switch is kinda rare because it shuts off the circuit ONLY when you push it. This is the opposite of the way most of the momentary switches work. Most momentary switches that we're familiar with (like a starter switch for example) turn something ON when you push them. This one is the opposite. It turns things OFF when you push it. It's a temporary switch, meaning it's spring loaded and is normally "ON", that is it does nothing 'til ya push it. When you do, it shuts off the circuit for as long as you hold it down, then turns it back on and stays that way.
This means that the speaker works just as it always should UNTIL you push the button. Then it shuts off the horn temporarily 'til you release the button. The back up alarm works just like it should unless it's 5:00 am and ya don't want to wake the neighbors: just hold down the button for a few seconds. Plus nobody would ever question you as the alarm works normally all the rest of the time. Consider this: nobody would ever question your foam covered speaker if you accidentally hit somebody WHILE your speaker was beeping... because your speaker would continue to operate as it was designed unless you pressed the hidden switch. And you couldn't forget to turn it back on because it's a momentary switch, designed to stay on most of the time.
Just remember there is no perfect solution here: but this is a possibility, and perhaps even a better choice than the others? You be the judge.
This is something that I've thought about and I'm sure others have as well. Especially since there is a blank spot next to the mode switch that doesn't get used. It would be perfect and finally put a use to that area. I personally lack the skills and knowledge to do it myself and I'm not about to pay someone else hundreds or thousands of dollars to have it done for me.
If you know how to do it or are willing to pay someone to do it for you, I would say that's your best option.
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Mine's perfect (IMO), simple, cheap, fast, and easily removable, and you can adjust the volume to your liking.
I think my solution is too easy not to give it a try, you can still hear it, and so can unaware passersby but not nearly as obtrusive as it is in stock form. Only takes 3 strips of tape and a couple minutes to stick it on. The volume is about 20% of what it was. In fact the foam solutions aren't really relying much on the foam but the solid piece of adhesive covering the speaker, ask me how I know lol
Seriously, if there are those out there that haven't already used the foam, or want to reduce the alert volume, just do this and thank me later
Easiest & cheapest & fastest way to quiet the...
Much easier than trying to get foam to stick in front of the horn (closed cell acoustic foam doesn't adhere very well to double sided adhesive :( ), and everyone NEEDS Gorilla tape, so it's a WIN WIN! It only takes 5 minutes to do as well :) Just put (3) 5"strips of the 2" wide Gorilla Tape in...
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What an intriguing solution!! It solves the noise problem (in terms of neighbor complaints) without eliminating a highly critical safety feature that could very probably save lives, or at least limbs. Out of curiosity, I watched some YouTube videos on the issue and I admit it kind of disturbed me that some individuals (including the guy with the bent coat hanger and a dental mirror) took such pride in defeating the VESS. I also browsed a few threads in this forum where some heatedly declared their right to do whatever they damn well please with their cars. That is certainly true, within the bounds of legalities and regulations, of course. But, in the words of Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park I, "the problem is John, they were so preoccupied with whether they could, they never asked themselves if they should."
My final conclusion is this and, as always, purely IMHO: how much time does anyone (other than a professional truck driver) spend BACKING UP? It's a matter of seconds. I would think 99.9% of the life of our cars is spent moving forward. In this world, most of us experience an undercurrent of noise all the time -- traffic noise (planes, trains, and automobiles), people noise, pet noise, sirens, the list goes on. Enduring those few seconds of beeping (particularly if you can mute it a little bit) seems a modest trade-off to help out our fellow human beings a little safer.
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Nice posting^^^What an intriguing solution!! It solves the noise problem (in terms of neighbor complaints) without eliminating a highly critical safety feature that could very probably save lives, or at least limbs. Out of curiosity, I watched some YouTube videos on the issue and I admit it kind of disturbed me that some individuals (including the guy with the bent coat hanger and a dental mirror) took such pride in defeating the VESS. I also browsed a few threads in this forum where some heatedly declared their right to do whatever they damn well please with their cars. That is certainly true, within the bounds of legalities and regulations, of course. But, in the words of Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park I, "the problem is John, they were so preoccupied with whether they could, they never asked themselves if they should."
My final conclusion is this and, as always, purely IMHO: how much time does anyone (other than a professional truck driver) spend BACKING UP? It's a matter of seconds. I would think 99.9% of the life of our cars is spent moving forward. In this world, most of us experience an undercurrent of noise all the time -- traffic noise (planes, trains, and automobiles), people noise, pet noise, sirens, the list goes on. Enduring those few seconds of beeping (particularly if you can mute it a little bit) seems a modest trade-off to help out our fellow human beings a little safer.
My decreased horn volume is still louder than my Jeep when backing up, although my Jeep looks bigger so maybe it's a wash???
In my opinion, this is not a good suggestion. Even ignoring that it requires to deal with additional wiring (and, as such, additional point of possibly poor connection - thus, additional point of failure), how would you manage backing up and at the same time pushing button with one hand and, again, at the same time holding and turning steering wheel safely with another hand?
And I am saying "turning" because in most cases we are backing up not directly straight out of the garage or parking spot but making a 90 degree turn or so.
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It's a reasonable solution to me for the reasons you give. In fact it is so loud otherwise because Hyundai uses only a front speaker that I wouldn't be surprised you are still within or nearly so what the sound level is mandated to be.Mine's perfect (IMO), simple, cheap, fast, and easily removable, and you can adjust the volume to your liking.
I think my solution is too easy not to give it a try, you can still hear it, and so can unaware passersby but not nearly as obtrusive as it is in stock form. Only takes 3 strips of tape and a couple minutes to stick it on. The volume is about 20% of what it was. In fact the foam solutions aren't really relying much on the foam but the solid piece of adhesive covering the speaker, ask me how I know lol
Seriously, if there are those out there that haven't already used the foam, or want to reduce the alert volume, just do this and thank me later
Easiest & cheapest & fastest way to quiet the...
Much easier than trying to get foam to stick in front of the horn (closed cell acoustic foam doesn't adhere very well to double sided adhesive :( ), and everyone NEEDS Gorilla tape, so it's a WIN WIN! It only takes 5 minutes to do as well :) Just put (3) 5"strips of the 2" wide Gorilla Tape in...
I'll side-step your wiring question, as I've wired a hundred things without issue and it just doesn't apply. My first "rodeo" in that department was my 1971 Camaro and the Pioneer SuperTuner that I wired up. What an improvement that was !!! But you do make a good point about how in the world I'd steer the car with one hand. Hmmm: perhaps the same way I do so when pulling out of the Dunkin Donuts parking lot with a cup of coffee in one hand? Now here's a question for you: how do you suppose I steer the car once I break out the donut? You don't think I'm going to wait until I get to work to eat it, do you?
Just kidding, Gene; but most of us old geezers learned how to back up a car that did NOT have power steering OR an automatic transmission. That's all we had. And the standard way to back up was to put one hand over the top of the bench seat so we could look out the back window while doing so. The real challenge wasn't how we were going to turn the steering wheel, but rather how we were going to deal with the clutch while trying to to "parallel park" in the winter with 6 inches of snow on the ground.
I’ve done the closed cell, self adhesive pad mod and it does make a significant difference. Cutting a 6x6 down to 5x5 and rounding off the corners if desired is a perfect cover for the speaker.
I then put two strips of all weather tape over the pad and onto the body of the speaker.
Thanks to any / all who posted suggestions and how-tos.
I then put two strips of all weather tape over the pad and onto the body of the speaker.
Thanks to any / all who posted suggestions and how-tos.
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FYI guys, I went the duct tape route for a semi-temporary solution, but found that this speaker is also the speaker that projects the horn. So you are actually muffling your horn when you cover this up. Is there a way to hack or disable the reverse beeping without deactivating the horn? I lowered the reverse beep noise by about 33% with 2 layers of duct tape completely surrounding the speaker vents but still feel it is too loud. I have to use my horn quite regularly where I live, even though it makes zero difference with most people I encounter who merge into my lane prematurely or cut me off intentionally.. Either way, I'd like to not have to muffle the horn. In fact, I'd love (and prefer) to increase the sound of my horn while significantly decreasing the sound of the reverse beep, but alas I do not live in a utopia. I'd love to tack on to the complaint that guy posted. I have the exact problem. I try to reverse as quickly as possible to get out of reverse mode because everybody and their mother is always watching me backup, it so loud and obnoxious, like it's screaming "look at me while I back up!" instead of calming saying "heads up, I'm backing up in case you don't already see me". It's way too loud. I try to shift into neutral half-way whenever possible so as to quell the noise earlier. And the car is shouting even when it's not moving but in the reverse gear. VERY annoying. By far the biggest complaint about the car, next would be the automatic braking reactions.
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Probably have to add an auxiliary horn to get what you're wanting
Haven't had to use the horn lately, have to check that out and see if it's muffled too much, I want to be sure that those that annoy me know what evil they've done!
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The back-up horn is NOT the horn button horn. Two completely different horns.
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