[mungo555444]

6 layers of gorilla tape worked for me. I made a sheet 6 layers thick about an inch bigger than the size of the speaker, cut diagonals an inch long at the corners and wrapped the excess tape around the sides.

 

[22HybridMN]

Regarding the Neoprene option - does this only cover the front face of the speaker? Or are folks covering the whole square box? Today I ordered 6" x 6" x 1/4" XCEL Neoprene foam to try this out and wasn't sure if this group is just putting it on the face or trying to cover the whole thing.

I just put it on the front, and the noise was reduced quite a bit.

 

[three4rd]

Stupid of me to have test driven an SEL hybrid the other week and completely forgot to put it in reverse to hear this sound! Then, of course, they sold the vehicle the same day so I'm out of luck till they get another one in. Hate to buy this thing before I see just how loud that is.

 

[Tampa8]

I have to say, after you read the posts here I am surprised that sound would stop you from buying a car otherwise you want.

 

[jdc121975]

There is so much we just do not know for sure. The sound having to be (~56 dB at 6') while true - is standing in the rear of the vehicle at 6'. Does anyone know what that loud sound of >90 dB in front is at 6' standing in the rear? It is very murky what laws applies and how they apply. Vehicles must be equipped with these sounds, if States have not passed laws for it you may be fine modifying them just as States have different seat belt laws. This has been addressed in different interviews with lawyers and I did Read two or three Law journals on this. Prevailing opinion is if you disable or tamper with the sounds with no accident involving pedestrian injury involved, no harm no foul. However if a pedestrian is injured investigators will check for the sounds that were equipped with the vehicle. You can be liable and good likelihood you will be even without a State law on it not so much in criminal court (still possible) but in civil court.

Just going to say this as I think this noise is in ALL Hyundai Hybrids and EV’s as well as Kias AND the noise emoting from the NEW 2023 Crown from Toyota is near impossible to hear even when you lay under the car (so hard to keep saying it a legal thing Hyundai) BUT “liable without noise if ya hit a pedestrian…..” That is the stupidest thing I ever heard a company claim for such an annoying device SINCE you’re ALWAYS liable and at fault for hitting a pedestrian while driving!!!!!! Just saying. id take a screw driver, a hammer, and that rubber sticker and beat a hole on that speaker till it died then put sticker over it to make it pretty lol

 

[Tampa8]

As the commercial says, that isn't how it works, that isn't how any of this works... You don't even have the right sound being discussed.

 

[garyahouse]

Was thinking about the legal and moral side of this whole issue. For years, many cars have run so quietly that in any urban environment with ambient noise levels, nobody can hear a car from even 6 feet away from the tailpipe. So what's the difference between an ICE car that CAN'T BE HEARD and an electric that makes no sound?

Truth is if you back into a pedestrian, and it's proven that your beeper was working normally, do they judge you as being innocent? I don't think so. What excuse is there for running over somebody?

 

[jdc121975]

Was thinking about the legal and moral side of this whole issue. For years, many cars have run so quietly that in any urban environment with ambient noise levels, nobody can hear a car from even 6 feet away from the tailpipe. So what's the difference between an ICE car that CAN'T BE HEARD and an electric that makes no sound?

Truth is if you back into a pedestrian, and it's proven that your beeper was working normally, do they judge you as being innocent? I don't think so. What excuse is there for running over somebody?

Apparently the excuse will be, “my car makes an annoying beeping noise when backing up and I WAS THE GOOD person that didn’t disconnect it SOOOOO it’s the pedestrians fault 100% their fault that I was on my phone texting while backing up and ran them over……hell your honor, I even pulled forward to see why the store put a speed bump behind my car when I was shopping.”

 

[Tampa8]

Was thinking about the legal and moral side of this whole issue. For years, many cars have run so quietly that in any urban environment with ambient noise levels, nobody can hear a car from even 6 feet away from the tailpipe. So what's the difference between an ICE car that CAN'T BE HEARD and an electric that makes no sound?

Truth is if you back into a pedestrian, and it's proven that your beeper was working normally, do they judge you as being innocent? I don't think so. What excuse is there for running over somebody?

I'm not understanding what is hard to understand about getting into an accident and there are different levels of how you can be charged depending on what you did.

In some States, one is Malice with afterthought - "reckless indifference to the value of human life" And the claim will be had the alert worked the pedestrian would have or could have avoided being hit.

OR -
"If you cause an accident, injury or death, ordinary negligence occurs when a person that has a duty of care fails to provide it—whether through a specific act or a failure to act—and causes harm or loss to another person. In a traffic situation, negligence simply means that the person is at fault for the collision that caused harm.
In situations where a car accident causes the death of another person, the at-fault driver will not necessarily be charged with involuntary manslaughter or any crime at all. Their negligence simply means that they are responsible for monetary compensation through their insurance provider or their own assets.
Gross negligence, however, occurs when the negligent party recklessly disregards the safety of those around them. When gross vehicular manslaughter occurs, the at-fault driver may face criminal charges."

If you think a lawyer and Jury won't consider that you disabled a safety warning specifically designed to help prevent hitting someone I want what the drug you are taking...

 

[jdc121975]

I'm not understanding what is hard to understand about getting into an accident and there are different levels of how you can be charged depending on what you did.

In some States, one is Malice with afterthought - "reckless indifference to the value of human life" And the claim will be had the alert worked the pedestrian would have or could have avoided being hit.

OR -
"If you cause an accident, injury or death, ordinary negligence occurs when a person that has a duty of care fails to provide it—whether through a specific act or a failure to act—and causes harm or loss to another person. In a traffic situation, negligence simply means that the person is at fault for the collision that caused harm.
In situations where a car accident causes the death of another person, the at-fault driver will not necessarily be charged with involuntary manslaughter or any crime at all. Their negligence simply means that they are responsible for monetary compensation through their insurance provider or their own assets.
Gross negligence, however, occurs when the negligent party recklessly disregards the safety of those around them. When gross vehicular manslaughter occurs, the at-fault driver may face criminal charges."

If you think a lawyer and Jury won't consider that you disabled a safety warning specifically designed to help prevent hitting someone I want what the drug you are taking...

Well based on all that there’s then a burden of proof that the device would’ve actually made a significant difference and unless there was dead silence around and the pedestrian wasn’t wearing headphones then best of luck proving a beep coming from 50 parking spots in the lot would’ve saved the accidental bump…..

yeah calculate the idea that it his noise is law. All EVs will be beeping then and that won’t happen lol

oh and FYI 2023 Toyota hybrid crown DOES NOT have a noticeable back up sound AT ALL. In fact you can’t even hear it if you put your ear near the bumper…..

so laws???? No this is a Hyundai and Kia thing to have this. And that is all it is.

 

[Tampa8]

Ok. Thanks for your insight.

Meanwhile another thing a lawyer representing an injured person by a car with the safety warning disabled can point to. So important that they may actually require those sold before the regulation to have it or have something in it's place.
This would supersede any State Law not requiring it btw. Still probably not against the law to disable it, but good luck in Court if it ever came to that.

NHTSA May Require Pre-2021 EVs, Hybrids to Retrofit Noise Makers for Safety (caranddriver.com)

 

[Tooson]

Well based on all that there’s then a burden of proof that the device would’ve actually made a significant difference and unless there was dead silence around and the pedestrian wasn’t wearing headphones then best of luck proving a beep coming from 50 parking spots in the lot would’ve saved the accidental bump…..

yeah calculate the idea that it his noise is law. All EVs will be beeping then and that won’t happen lol

oh and FYI 2023 Toyota hybrid crown DOES NOT have a noticeable back up sound AT ALL. In fact you can’t even hear it if you put your ear near the bumper…..

so laws???? No this is a Hyundai and Kia thing to have this. And that is all it is.

Rav4 hybrid has an even worse back up sound, it's not only a Hyundai thing.

 

[garyahouse]

So, now that we've covered all the bases here, I guess we'd agree that if you choose to quiet down that back up warning, you'd be wise not to back up into anybody.
Here's a good one, if you disable your back up warning device, and back up into a tree, are you still going to be in hot (legal) water?

 

[Tampa8]

So, now that we've covered all the bases here, I guess we'd agree that if you choose to quiet down that back up warning, you'd be wise not to back up into anybody.
Here's a good one, if you disable your back up warning device, and back up into a tree, are you still going to be in hot (legal) water?

I don't see quieting as a real issue. Disabling is where I do.

 

[Baited Breath]

Hi all. New here as I just got the 2023 Limited Hybrid and appreciate this discussion! The thing is loaded with sensors, so I am curious why Hyundai (and other makers) can't update the software logic to limit the backup sound to occur ONLY when something is detected close behind you? Or is that too logical?

 

[AsherN]

Hi all. New here as I just got the 2023 Limited Hybrid and appreciate this discussion! The thing is loaded with sensors, so I am curious why Hyundai (and other makers) can't update the software logic to limit the backup sound to occur ONLY when something is detected close behind you? Or is that too logical?

Because for the pedestrian, it's too late by then. It's no different than trucks backing up. You want the pedestrian to be aware before they aer behind the vehicle. For those arguing that other manufacturers' sounds are not as loud, in an accident, all that would do is shift the liability. Of an accident occurs and the argument is that the sound was not audible enough, having a vehicle with a soft stock sound shifts the liability to the manufacturer, whereas if you tampered with the car, you are liable.

 

[Baited Breath]

Because for the pedestrian, it's too late by then. It's no different than trucks backing up. You want the pedestrian to be aware before they aer behind the vehicle. For those arguing that other manufacturers' sounds are not as loud, in an accident, all that would do is shift the liability. Of an accident occurs and the argument is that the sound was not audible enough, having a vehicle with a soft stock sound shifts the liability to the manufacturer, whereas if you tampered with the car, you are liable.

I certainly appreciate the safety & legal concerns. Waking up my neighbors every morning at 3:30am when I leave for work is going to be a concern for my own safety when the lynch mob forms lol.

 

[AsherN]

I certainly appreciate the safety & legal concerns. Waking up my neighbors every morning at 3:30am when I leave for work is going to be a concern for my own safety when the lynch mob forms lol.

You can backup in in your driveway.

 

[garyahouse]

...why Hyundai can't update the software to limit the sound to ONLY when something is detected close behind you?

Maybe cuz the intent is to warn those approaching of your intent to back up?

Was thinking once again about this moral/legal issue. I think we've covered the bases. The advice I would give on an open forum to "the general public" is to simply do what's right and what's legal, period. What I would do with that annoying beeper on my car... might be another. Shotgun comes to mind... just for the joy of hearing it shrieking one moment, and then watch it cough, sputter and die... the next. Red neck engineering at its best. Promise to come visit me in jail? Truth is, I don't have this on my ICE Tucson. Thankful I'm not faced with the decision of what to do. I don't think I can be trusted on this one.

 

[Baited Breath]

Well of

You can backup in in your

Maybe cuz the intent is to warn those approaching of your intent to back up?

Was thinking once again about this moral/legal issue. I think we've covered the bases. The advice I would give on an open forum to "the general public" is to simply do what's right and what's legal, period. What I would do with that annoying beeper on my car... might be another. Shotgun comes to mind... just for the joy of hearing it shrieking one moment, and then watch it cough, sputter and die... the next. Red neck engineering at its best. Promise to come visit me in jail? Truth is, I don't have this on my ICE Tucson. Thankful I'm not faced with the decision of what to do. I don't think I can be trusted on this one.

The whole intent of my question is simply to point out that our vehicles are already programmed with the same concept for collision avoidance and blind spot monitoring. The blind spot monitor doesn't constantly warn us when there is nothing around or outside a safe distance.
Yes, we need to alert pedestrians nearby. We don't need to alert people that are 1/4 mile away.