[Mediaman]

Wouldn't surprise me that QC and BC get like 75-80% of the inventory, but that would be nuts if it was skewed like

umm….I’m in BC and I’ve seen more unicorns than PHEV Tuscons. I’ve seen 1 Santa Fe PHEV delivered to a dealership and that customer ordered back in October 2021.

 

[frankmar]

If Mirko's numbers are Canada-wide, then your dealership in Montreal is getting the lion's share for Canada. Wouldn't surprise me that QC and BC get like 75-80% of the inventory, but that would be nuts if it was skewed like that.

My dealership in Ottawa was saying they get a handful per month. I pressed for hard #s but couldn't get anything more defined than "handful"

Paul here in Quebec cause electricity is cheap compared to other provinces and we have plenty of charging station plenty of people buy Bev and phev vehicles.
Only problem is that when they step out of Quebec they realize it s a different world cause not too many charging station Maybe why we get more Bev and phev. BC I don t know.

 

[Sasker]

Thank you PHEV.to. Very kind words.




Hyundai has sunk nearly 2 billion into Montgomery, Alabama. It’s no accident. Biden’s new green plan allows Hyundai to continue to take advantage of the EV tax credits. Note that the Montgomery plant will now build Hybrids and the higher end Genesis BEV products alongside the traditional ICE vehicles. The PHEV product is only being built overseas

Again…no accident.

Hyundai may have a better beachhead in the US than other foreign manufacturers. Ford is still a contender and they will surprise us even more.

But there are many forces at play. It’s the lobbyists that are ultimately deciding the path. Sure the price of fuel in US or Canada can push the needle to one side or the other but it is ultimately about money and compromise in the deal making. 3200 and counting jobs in Montgomery are local votes. Biden’s economical plans are “made in America” wins and, he hopes, votes. Big oil has seen the new writing on the wall but they have plans. Hybrids still use gas and I bet my left arm they had a seat at the table.

But all conspiracy theories aside.

Hybrids get….5 to 7 litres per 100km? (33 to 45 mpg). A PHEV can average out to 3 or 4 litres per 100 km (55 to 80 mpg). So if Hyundai can get better hybrid batteries that pull the fuel economy into current PHEV ranges then why build the technologically more complicated and less profitable PHEV. You don’t have to make a better engine….you just need a better battery and better batteries benefit hybrids and BEV.

in the current big picture Hybrids are better for the environment than a PHEV or BEV if, and only if, the source of the electrical charging power is fossil fuel derived. (EG coal burning power stations which there are plenty of). If the charging source is 100 percent hydroelectric then BEV wins out after all carbon footprints have been equalized.

PHEV is, as I said before, is a choice a buyer can make to flip a bird at high gas prices for the daily, feel they are being green and not have range anxiety for the 3 or 4 road trips a year. It’s why I preordered a PHEV.

But wait….

For me, personally, 1 road trip we do twice a year is just under 400 km away. Some BEV vehicles are now within a hair of 400km of range. If there was an SUV that had 500km of range and did not cost too much more than the PHEV I preordered….I would have bought it. That is the mentality shift I spoke about beforehand.

PHEV is a stop gap. 500 km range BEV SUVs are coming. Within 5 years they will be “affordable” and hopefully not in the Ford Lightning fully loaded price range or the, ugh, Tesla wallet emptier category.

I think my preordered PHEV will finally be delivered by then…perfectly new and perfectly outdated but I will still enjoy it.

I have solar and drive an average of 20km of driving a day. A PHEV is a home run for the environment and for my pocket book. Plus it can also pull my 1800lb trailer without ever needing to charge.

When I was cross-shopping a BEV I looked at the F150 lighting Lariat with the extended range battery. But it is $95,000 + tax and I am still not certain it could get me more than 250km before I am recharging.

Maybe my use case is atypical, but I don't see a BEV being better for me for the foreseeable future. PHEV may be a stopgap to BEV, but it may be a LONG stopgap.

 

[Aphidman]

I have solar and drive an average of 20km of driving a day. A PHEV is a home run for the environment and for my pocket book. Plus it can also pull my 1800lb trailer without ever needing to charge.

When I was cross-shopping a BEV I looked at the F150 lighting Lariat with the extended range battery. But it is $95,000 + tax and I am still not certain it could get me more than 250km before I am recharging.

Maybe my use case is atypical, but I don't see a BEV being better for me for the foreseeable future. PHEV may be a stopgap to BEV, but it may be a LONG stopgap.

My needs are much the same. I would add that Calgary-Regina-Calgary car trips in the dead of winter (-25°C) are a frequent part of my driving, and as things stand today, not a great use case for a BEV. Currently charging stations are far apart on the prairies (which will change over time, of course), and bitter cold is brutal on BEV range (which will be slower to change). And half my driving is urban, so the PHEV is a win there. Or will be, if it ever gets built and delivered…

 

[HRFE41]

Got some good news from my dealer. They got a Tucson allotment they can give to me instead of waiting for my December projected build date. It’s an Ultimate PHEV like I ordered the only difference is it is Blue not the Titan Grey I ordered.
I’m going in tomorrow to hammer out the details, hopefully have a new vehicle before the weekend.

 

[Sasker]

My needs are much the same. I would add that Calgary-Regina-Calgary car trips in the dead of winter (-25°C) are a frequent part of my driving, and as things stand today, not a great use case for a BEV. Currently charging stations are far apart on the prairies (which will change over time, of course), and bitter cold is brutal on BEV range (which will be slower to change). And half my driving is urban, so the PHEV is a win there. Or will be, if it ever gets built and delivered…

Keep the faith

Totally agree on the winter drives. We often go to Lake Louise, or Panorama, or Fernie/Kimberly and inevitably we end up doing a lonely dark drive through a mountain pass. Having to stop to charge would almost surely make it a two day trip. Even if we could theoretically still do the trip in one day, it has been scary enough doing those late-night mountain passes on gas so I can't imagine trying to do them in a BEV several hours later at night.

 

[frankmar]

Spoke to my sales person he said, HEV and PHEV will be the same in 2023 and he thinks price will go UP by $1,000.

 

[PianoA]

Spoke to my sales person he said, HEV and PHEV will be the same in 2023 and he thinks price will go UP by $1,000.

That's correct. If you go to Hyundai Canada Competitive Comparison | Hyundai Canada, select a 2022 Tucson PHEV, and as a comparison vehicle choose a 2023 Tucson PHEV, you can see differences in features and in price. The Luxury PHEV, for instance, is going up $850.

 

[sam22]

That's correct. If you go to Hyundai Canada Competitive Comparison | Hyundai Canada, select a 2022 Tucson PHEV, and as a comparison vehicle choose a 2023 Tucson PHEV, you can see differences in features and in price. The Luxury PHEV, for instance, is going up $850.

$1000 or $850.. I think at this point, what we want is to have them to make cars so our orders (pre-orders) get processed

 

[frankmar]

$1000 or $850.. I think at this point, what we want is to have them to make cars so our orders (pre-orders) get processed

Let s say if you add the tax it s about $1k LOL
Except Alberta 5% tax
If used cars are going up, it would be normal that new cars get an increase.
I was offered last fall for my Murano 26K tax in now I got 30K tax in, and I think I could of got maybe another 1K, but can t be too choosy when new cars are not available.. Dealer told me they're getting little by little 2022 Tuscsons (reserved)

 

[ChrisV]

That's correct. If you go to Hyundai Canada Competitive Comparison | Hyundai Canada, select a 2022 Tucson PHEV, and as a comparison vehicle choose a 2023 Tucson PHEV, you can see differences in features and in price. The Luxury PHEV, for instance, is going up $850.

Funny, the Ultimate is only going up by $550 which makes less of a gap between them. At least for the moment the extra $1000 Federal rebate covers the increase in price.

 

[Topgun8091]

Fingers crossed they open ordering for 2023 PHEV Tucson soon. I put my name down in early March and am #28 at my dealership in Ottawa. My current car is slowly decomposing. Was hoping to have my car by September of this year.

Super upset that I hummed and hawed about PHEV from November to March. If I had just out down a deposit in November, I'd be taking possession now-ish, based on what I see in this forum.

I did order one back in November (East GTA region) and dont expect to see it until late first quarter of 2023. Last update last week was a December build on my 2022 Tucson

 

[sam22]

Fingers crossed they open ordering for 2023 PHEV Tucson soon. I put my name down in early March and am #28 at my dealership in Ottawa. My current car is slowly decomposing. Was hoping to have my car by September of this year.

Super upset that I hummed and hawed about PHEV from November to March. If I had just out down a deposit in November, I'd be taking possession now-ish, based on what I see in this forum.

interesting. I put my deposit around March 25th or so for 2023 Tucson PHEV. I haven't heard anything about order being taken in by Hyundai Canada. I should go check with my sale person.

 

[Topgun8091]

interesting. I put my deposit around March 25th or so for 2023 Tucson PHEV. I haven't heard anything about order being taken in by Hyundai Canada. I should go check with my sale person.

I don't remember when the cut off was for 2022's, but I am 100% sure there will not be a 2023 production year model unit. Any deposit put down after the 2022 cut off would be to be put on a dealership list for data entry when the dealer order system re-opens for the Tucson's.

 

[PianoA]

I don't remember when the cut off was for 2022's, but I am 100% sure there will not be a 2023 production year model unit. Any deposit put down after the 2022 cut off would be to be put on a dealership list for data entry when the dealer order system re-opens for the Tucson's.

Yes, that fits with what my salesperson told me. I'm therefore hoping to be able to order a 2024 PHEV.

 

[Mediaman]

but I am 100% sure there will not be a 2023 production year model unit.

Not intending to be disrespectful but where do you base the 100% verification from? If a salesperson told you in passing that salesperson would be foolish. The dealership would be pissed because that salesperson is shafting future orders regardless if the information is true or not.

Do you have a copy of an official Hyundai communication to the dealership or otherwise that corroborates this?

I do not doubt that PHEV vehicle production is severely limited to Canada for some Hyundai models. The vehicle manufacturing landscape is in constant flux. Hyundai didn’t even make the recent Biden list for tax rebate incentives in the US. That will affect HEV and Hybrid orders there to some extent which may shift some production quotas North.

 

[frankmar]

I don't remember when the cut off was for 2022's, but I am 100% sure there will not be a 2023 production year model unit. Any deposit put down after the 2022 cut off would be to be put on a dealership list for data entry when the dealer order system re-opens for the Tucson's.

There won t be a production year for 2023 PHEV, They invested so much $$, plus they re taking business from Toyota and Honda, Kia is producing PHEV next year and Hyundai is going to sit and take a break Cmon,
Hyundai and Kia normally should increase the km range maybe in the following years, As long that there s a demand they will built them

 

[Sasker]

There won t be a production year for 2023 PHEV, They invested so much $$, plus they re taking business from Toyota and Honda, Kia is producing PHEV next year and Hyundai is going to sit and take a break Cmon,
Hyundai and Kia normally should increase the km range maybe in the following years, As long that there s a demand they will built them

Poor Hyundai Asok even took the time to price them and put them up in the on-line comparison tool.

 

[Mediaman]

Poor Hyundai Asok even took the time to price them and put them up in the on-line comparison tool.

Hyundai asok? if it’s Ozok Hyundai then that’s a car dealership in Nicosia….which wasn’t that a mythical country in a Tom Hanks movie? Lol

As for the rest of the “no PHEV for you” members….where are these revelations coming from? How can anyone be 100% sure about something no one has any verifiable information on? Most of what I post either comes from a news source, Hyundai posting or is a total guess based on multiple “spidey sense” mutterings.

Sure I think Canada is totally screwed for PHEV delivery numbers. The US gets 8 to 11 times the number of new ICE, HEV and PHEV vehicles that Canada does (Source ) but I don’t think Hyundai is not going to make any PHEV vehicles globally. It may be that Canada only gets…..3….and won’t that be depressing. (Full disclosure….it may be 4 but what do I know)

 

[Canadiens_93]

Hyundai asok? if it’s Ozok Hyundai then that’s a car dealership in Nicosia….which wasn’t that a mythical country in a Tom Hanks movie? Lol

As for the rest of the “no PHEV for you” members….where are these revelations coming from? How can anyone be 100% sure about something no one has any verifiable information on? Most of what I post either comes from a news source, Hyundai posting or is a total guess based on multiple “spidey sense” mutterings.

Sure I think Canada is totally screwed for PHEV delivery numbers. The US gets 8 to 11 times the number of new ICE, HEV and PHEV vehicles that Canada does (Source ) but I don’t think Hyundai is not going to make any PHEV vehicles globally. It may be that Canada only gets…..3….and won’t that be depressing. (Full disclosure….it may be 4 but what do I know)

I hate that it’s a guessing game. If they were just forthright with what they expect, it would be acceptable. But having customers not knowing whether their vehicle will be available within a time frame sucks ass. My dealership still says 10-12 months from PRE ORDER!! I kind of doubt it.